By WILLY EYA
A former Governor of Anambra State and a prominent leader
of thought in the South East, Chief Chukwuemeka Ezeife, is one man that
does not fear to speak his mind on any issue. Ezeife believes that the
situation in Nigeria is not irredeemable despite the challenges facing
her as a nation. In this interview, the elder statesman bares his mind
on various issues affecting the nation. Excerpts…
From your vantage position as an elder statesman, what do you make of the current state of the nation?
My attitude to the current state of the nation is guided by my belief
that the hands of God are in the emergence of Jonathan as President.
Not only does God not make mistakes, He, indeed knows what is best for
Nigeria. It does not, therefore, matter what happens or how man
perceives what happens. Jonathan, I believe, is a tool in the hands of
God to shape Nigeria as He wants – to let God’s design for Nigeria
manifest. I am beginning to think that the manifest destiny of Jonathan
Presidency is the structural transformation of Nigeria from a country
which appears permanently shipwrecked to a country where things work –
to a country that works. From “longest” time ago and for solid reasons,
the potential greatness of Nigeria has been celebrated. Hope has
increasingly deemed on the actualization of that potentiality. Jonathan
transformation, or the structural transformation which comes with
Jonathan presidency, may yet actualize the potential greatness of
Nigeria. Jonathan may not personally be leading the structural
transformation agenda, but it cannot be lost on any observer that, for
the first time in Nigeria, the North, the South, the East and the West
are calling for a National Conference. So are all the ethnic groups in
Nigeria, the large and the small.
National Conference for what?
What else, but to restructure Nigeria for peace and meaningful progress! No achievement can be greater than this.
Do you think that the present administration under President Jonathan would win the war against Boko Haram?
The war against Boko Haram is not for Jonathan to win or lose. It is a
war that Nigeria must win to survive. God helping us, the sun is
already setting on Boko Haram. It is not because of the great arsenal of
Jonathan; it is not because of the great knowledge and strategic acumen
of Col. Dasuki (which are evident); it is not because of the great
resolve of those Nigerians who are so upset by Boko Haram. None of the
above! Boko Haram must die because it is not the will of God that evil
should triumph over good. Because God has so willed, the futility of
Boko Haram is dawning on its strongest Nigerian supporters. The original
founders of Boko Haram, whose simple objective is the Islamization of
Nigeria, have realized that their objective is mission impossible –
inevitably. Those who supported Boko Haram to make Nigeria ungovernable
for Jonathan, as well as those who thought of Boko Haram violence, as a
strategy for winning back power, are realizing the futility of the
effort: that if they insist on “born to rule”, they will have only
themselves to rule over. What is more, the longer they sustain that
violence, the longer they stay out of power in Nigeria. The poor souls
who supported Boko Haram in protest against bad governance which
resulted in the abject poverty and ignorance of the people, are
realizing that, while a short offensive would have served their purpose,
and raised national consciousness to their plight, the prolonged
offensive is making themselves and the people they depended on poorer
now and much poorer in the longer term. They have achieved the negation
of everything they had intended. It remains, possibly, the suspected or
speculated foreign sponsors who, it was thought, wanted to exploit Boko
Haram as a tool to make their prophesies self-fulfilling. Nigeria must
survive. Jonathan structural transformation will assure that. Most
Nigerians may not agree, but it is possible that Jonathan’s perceived
slow and prayerful approach to the problem may have saved the country
from the worst from Boko Haram.
What is the way forward to deal with the insecurity situation in the country?
I cannot claim any special knowledge in the area of national
security. Apart from insecurity resulting from political motive, which
includes political thuggery, there are other forms and sources of
insecurity. These include theft, sexual harassment including rape,
arson, ethno-religious conflicts, robbery, armed robbery, kidnapping
etc. I think that, of the major ones, the easiest to deal with is
kidnapping. Principally, community policing should play the dominant
role. And youth groups like OPC, MASSOB etc can be empowered to play
major roles. I do not want to dwell on security problems in which I do
not know much. I do have one specific element of solution to advocate.
It is “Safe Whistle Blowing”. From coup making to corruption, from
kidnapping, even kidnapping led by the security agents who are paid to
combat the crime, to all other conspiracy-related crimes and sources of
insecurity, Safe Whistle Blowing can make a great impact on crime
control. The key requirement is that the whistle blower is assured of
his/her anonymity. And I know of a Nigerian group who claim to have
developed a system that guarantees this. They claim that as long as the
destination of a call is to designated security numbers, not even the
service providers, whose systems are used, can identify the caller.
Do you agree with those who insist that insecurity in the
North is a strategy by the power elites in that part of the country to
‘recapture’ power in 2015?
In my answer to the second question, I indicated the view that among
the several motivations for promoting Boko Haram is the idea of some
that it will help return power to the North. There are even those who
suggest that power went to the South-South as a result of a desire to
appease the violent groups in the region. I have indicated, a number of
times, that Boko Haram will for a long time, deny presidential power to
North. With the seeming desperation by the North to recapture power from
the South, do you think Nigeria would ever remain the same? Voices of
reason come from every part of Nigeria, including the North, or the deep
North. Some very serious Northern minds, in high social and political
positions, have categorically advised the North against risky gambles to
regain power. The reason for amalgamation is still very much with us –
and the gap may be getting wider. Why should the beneficiaries of
amalgamation spearhead or court “disamalgamation.” The problem is that
our politicians do not stop and ask the question “power for what”
outside of self? The North has ruled Nigeria for more than 38 years in
her 51 years of independence. What does Nigeria, and especially the
North, have to show for this long dominance. Some have claimed that the
North ruled and ruined Nigeria and ruined the North even more. Indeed,
this is one of the reasons given for Boko Haram. Do we ever stop to
think about the interest of the Talakawas of the North, the
down-trodden, and the disappearing middle class, everywhere in Nigeria?
Is the poor result of Northern dominance in the leadership of Nigeria
due to weaknesses of the individual leaders – all of them- or a
necessary consequence of a social system. When should we stop thinking
only of the plunder incentive, propensity and possibilities, in the
holding of political power? When do we stop thinking of self, relations,
in-laws and “out-laws”? Is there a place for the interest of Nigeria,
the largest concentration of blacks on earth? Shouldn’t our political
objective be dominated by a desire to develop into a super power in this
world, so as to satisfy what clearly looks like our manifest destiny of
leading the Blacks of the earth, being their big brother and rallying
point, and, above all, raising the dignity and respect of Blacks in the
world? Must we remain a source of shame for Blacks – big among them like
the penny among higher valued money units. Do we look among us to see
who can lead the country out of the present mess created by man, in a
country, in every way, designed by the Almighty God Himself for
unmatched greatness? No leader of Nigeria, military or civilian, has
shown a craving for the economic development and growth of Nigeria.
Obasanjo did a bit well as Head of state, but after he was brought out
from where he was consigned for three years to rats and mosquitoes, for
no just cause, he appeared to have decided to take vengeance on all
Nigerians, especially on the far North and the South East. Jonathan
showed the right signs during campaigns but, so far, Boko Haram has not
let us observe his true performance. When the development and growth of
Nigeria become the objectives, the North should stay far away from her
leadership, until they are ready in some fundamental ways.
Corruption is arguably the most challenging problem facing
the country today. Do you think Jonathan has the strength of character
to fight it?
Some time ago, I told an audience at the Yar’Adua Centre that, “the
soul of Nigeria is going …going … !!!” Corruption has eaten up the
consciences and souls of Nigerians and has induced them to the worship
of almighty god of crass materialism. We can see fugitive mentality in
Nigerians’ treasury plunder activity. The fugitive is so alarmed and
frightened, so stupefied, by what he saw, his terrifying experience,
that he does not know when to stop running. Nigerians in plundering the
coffers of the state behave like this fugitive. No consideration is
given to what can be done with the money being hauled. Corruption in low
and high places is the root cause of our many problems from industrial
unrest to small and not-so-small thievery, from armed robbery to
kidnapping, from unemployment to poor infrastructure development, from
import dependence to the inability for our manufacturers to compete with
their foreign counterpart, and the consequent de-industrialisation of
Nigeria, etc. What to do? When Jonathan is allowed to lead, he must
adopt a ruthless “do-as-I-do” policy – keeping himself clean and swiftly
weeding out the contaminated.
Many are afraid that there might not be a country called Nigeria after the 2015 election. Do you share that pessimism?
My immediate reaction to this is “arrant nonsense”. But we must be
wary and let the true long term interest of every group in Nigeria,
large and small, guide the actions of the group in the Nigerian
political arena. Of course, the true long term interest of every group
in Nigeria is the permanence of one Nigeria, restructured to make things
work.
Do you think the current move to amend the constitution would reduce the political tension in the country?
To this I think my answer is yes. But we really need to remove
sources of tension, not just to reduce tension. The National Assembly is
not in a position to go far enough. Their role is really to repair some
cracks on the walls of the house. Rebuilding the house, belongs to the
owners of the house. We should not allow our current positions in the
system becloud our thinking about long term remedies. That the members
of the NASS have conflict of interests which disqualifies them from
rebuilding the house, can easily be seen when we consider how they would
deal with whether unicameral or bicameral legislature is best for the
country. As humans, they must have difficulty with dealing with this
issue objectively.
What are the most critical issues that the Constitution review should address?
Among the most issues are: the federating units, true federalism,
remedying the defects of one national police with zonal police, not
state police, for which our level of moral development cannot support
and fiscal federalism, the derivation principle, with adequate provision
for national interest etc.
Some are kicking that state creation should not be part of
the amendment. The argument to support this position is that even most
of the existing states are no longer viable. As one from the South East,
do you agree with that position?
On the issue of one extra state for the South East, Nigeria
politicians have shown great understanding and a good sense of fairness.
I participated in the Committee of Leaders who rounded up the affairs
of the 2005 National Political Reform Conference. See how these eminent
Nigerians, representing every area of Nigeria, decided on the issue of
one extra state for the South East zone. There were 42 members, 39 voted
for one extra state for South East to bring the zone into equality with
the four zones, which have six states each. (North West has seven). Two
members only, voted against and one member abstained from voting. The
Presidential Constitutional Review Committee has sharpened the reason
for the special treatment of the one extra state for the South East
zone. There is an overwhelming national consensus on the matter. The
idea of equality of zones is generally accepted. This can be achieved
with seven or eight states per zone. But this is grossly inefficient as
even most of the existing 36 states are clearly unviable. The optimum
solution is to declare equality of zones while making the six
geopolitical zones as the federating units. You may even consider
12-zone federating system, with each existing zone split into two, with
necessary boundary adjustments. But this will definitely be less
efficient than the six-zone system.
It seems the dream for an Igbo presidency may never be
realized considering that it is most unlikely that Jonathan would
handover to another southerner. What is your take on that?
I have dealt with issue of Igbo Nigeria President extensively in the
past. I should like to come to you on another occasion on this. However,
the following summary statements are relevant. The principle of zoning
and rotation have meaning only in the context of the six geopolitical
zones of Nigeria. North/South alternation is not rotation and has never
been a national policy. The federal character principle captures the
essence of power sharing and rotation of leadership. Zonal rotation of
power is an extension of that principle. The zones are what Nigeria uses
for power sharing and rotation of leadership since 1995. There is even
an extra minister per zone. The famous PDP Constitution provides for the
zones as the basis of rotation. By 2015, every zone in Nigeria, except
the South East, shall have supplied Nigeria with Chief Executive Officer
for more than five years. Only the South East is left out. What will be
the equity, justice and fairness, if Jonathan is to hand over to a zone
which has held Nigerian Chief Executive Officer position for more than
five years, rather than to the South East, the only zone that has been
out in the cold. If you take the tripodal position in Nigeria, only the
Igbo, of the three legs of the tripod, has not held the office – the
Hausa/Fulani has, the Yoruba has. Someone, who seemed to have some
problem of memory loss about history, recently talked about the American
and the Nigerian civil wars and the necessary effect on access to power
by the defeated. Perhaps it is necessary to remind some people about
the Nigerian war. In 1966, with pogrom and other deprivations and
iniquities, Nigerians declared their rejection of the easterners. The
rejected people refused to reject themselves but rather decided to build
a world of their own. When Nigeria changed her mind and decided to keep
Nigeria one, the rejected people dutifully co-operated, since they did
not want to be outside Nigeria, if they could help it. A neighbouring
country provided an opportunity for one Nigeria, where things would
work. A solution was worked out and agreed. The rejected ones happily
prepared to rejoin Nigeria, Nigeria unilaterally and unceremoniously
reneged on the agreed terms and forced a war “to keep Nigeria one”. Can
any sensible person see a relationship with the American civil war in
this? But, really, when will Nigerian interest predominate. Which
Nigerians have played the role of developing, commercializing and
opening the eyes of other Nigerians? Which Nigerians create values where
hitherto no values were known to exist? Which group of Nigerians have
voted with their feet for one Nigeria and are making home of, and
actively developing and improving everywhere they are. When will it be
the turn of economic development and growth of Nigeria – development in
line with her manifest destiny? Which Nigerian will find it necessary to
spread development fairly evenly across Nigeria, in order to satisfy
his own people, who live everywhere in Nigeria? I shall discuss this
issue further when we meet again.
Are Igbos ready in the event that such an opportunity calls
especially against the perception that they cannot speak with one voice?
Some people are in for a dumbfounding surprise. But that will be
because they do not pay attention to Igbo behaviour over issues that the
Igbo consider important to themselves. On the issue of 2015 Igbo
agenda, please put your ears on the ground. Yes you will hear, not one
voice, but very many different voices. Note, however, that the multitude
of voices are saying the same thing. It is not many voices, but
discordant voices that cause problems. How disunited were the Igbo in
burying Ojukwu? Giving him such burial honour that no human, born of a
woman, has ever received. In “disunity”, we dumped “all our eggs in
Jonathan basket” – the initial serious division among some elite
notwithstanding. Truly, yes, we have no leader that dictates the
direction we all must follow. We really do not need one, as long as good
reasoning, available to most of us, guides decisions. Our shoemakers,
farmers, welders, truck pushers, drivers, generally all our people,
recognise and appreciate the truth and what makes sense. That is the
leader we follow. We also know ourselves, the antecedents of each of us,
we know who to trust. No group, out of national power for decades, like
the Igbo, can have the coherence of our people. Look around. Count your
teeth with your tongue. And now that an arch, ardent hater of our
people, has begun to anoint presidential candidates and their running
mates, to spite us, it must do some good to our coherence. For those who
did not know before, will now know.
Are you not worried over the infighting among governors of the South East in recent time?
Do you know that for about more than half a decade, one person has
been Chairman of South East Governor’s Forum. You cannot take the
necessary adjustment to any new element as infighting. Or are people
seeing in the unity of our governors the antithesis of what they wish
us.
Do you support the economic integration of the South East zone?
We have a document on economic integration, endorsed by all the
governors. It is an idea whose time has come. Nobody can resist it. Look
at the West. They are very advanced in it. Now the South South, as
diverse as they are, they have embraced integration. Should there be a
problem, we can, creatively, work out an acceptable solution or
compromise. There is this possibility of a device that can be called
“Federally Administered States”, if it becomes necessary. A resort to
such a device is becoming increasingly unlikely, as communication
improves among groups.
What is the future of the country considering that so many people seem to be losing hope on its continued unity?
Because God lives, because God created Nigeria for His purpose,
though through the instrumentality of British imperialism, which
appeared to have deliberately sowed the seed for self-destruction in the
country because the permanence of Nigeria is in the true long term
interest of every group in Nigeria, and because the Nigerian people are
headed for “We the people of Nigeria .. hereby make and give unto
ourselves this Constitution” (for peace and progress), Nigeria has come
to stay.