From: TAIWO AMODU, Abuja
Professor Rufai Ahmed Alkali, immediate past National
Publicity Secretary of the Peoples Democratic Party (PDP) has dismissed
the ongoing alliance talks among some parties as a mere flash in the
pan, which any discerning gladiator of the PDP should not be bothered
about. In an interactive session with journalists in Abuja, Alkali
submits that Nigerians are used to alliance discourse among opposition
parties, which he claims have no fresh initiative on governance.
Excerpts:
You are the immediate past National Publicity Secretary of
the PDP. Since you left office, Nigerians have not been hearing from you
despite various issues that have arisen on the political turf. Why this
long silence?
First and foremost, I want to thank you all for taking your time to
come and see me. As you are aware, the national convention of PDP took
place in March this year and following the convention, new set of
National Working Committee members emerged under the leadership of Dr.
Bamanga Tukur and subsequently we handed over to the new NWC. So, it is
logical that having served out our time of four years, the best thing to
do was to step back and step aside, if you like, to give the new
leadership of our party time to settle down to do the serious business
of managing our great party. With that, I thought, the best thing to do
is to continue praying for them and assist them in whatever way possible
through any advice, where necessary, to enable them to also succeed. As
you are aware, managing party politics worldwide is a serious business,
more so in an emerging democracy like Nigeria. The leadership of the
party requires all the support, cooperation and prayers of every member
of the party and also for them to build on what we left behind. I have
been reluctant to talk. I needed time to settle down but now that you
have taken the pains to come and insisted we talk, you want to ask one
or two questions, as a party man and a man who has dedicated himself a
long time to fighting for our people at every level, it will be impudent
to discourage you.
Some opposition parties like the Action Congress of Nigeria
and Congress for Progressive Change are already having alliance talks
ahead of the 2015 general election and already saying they are going to
displace PDP. How do you see this development?
As you are aware, one of the fundamentals of popular democracy is
that there should be more than one political party in the political
terrain, to provide options or alternatives to the ruling party.
Nigeria, as I have said repeatedly, in normal condition, believes in
multi-party even though there was a time people tried to put a tag on
PDP that we are opposed to other political parties surviving. The truth
has triumphed. PDP has always believed in multi-party system and that is
what has been provided for in our constitution and that has always been
the bases for our interaction and relations with other groups. But no
political party would also like to consign itself to the back bench.
Each political party wants to struggle and fight hard to make its mark.
PDP has been in the centre in this country since 1999 and despite the
imperfections of popular democracy, it has made its own contributions.
Sometimes it is difficult to appreciate things, particularly when we
have them. I know the leadership of this country under PDP has made
giant strides at so many levels but that does not mean that the other
political parties will not try to upstage PDP. They have been trying to
do that. The blessing is that they think merely being anti-PDP or
fighting PDP is enough for Nigerians to accept them. It is not enough.
They have failed to come up with something that is different, something
that is fresh, something to show to the country that they can do better
if they are given the chance. So far what we have seen, because of court
rulings and thanks to the dogged commitment of the government both
under the late Alhaji Umaru Yar’Adua and under our current President,
Dr. Goodluck Jonathan, is the believe in the rule of law. The judiciary
has been giving window of opportunities to political parties, especially
the opposition, to take over power in so many states of our country.
But in those states that the opposition was able to get judgment like
Ondo, Ekiti, Ogun, Edo and the rest, you find that so far, apart from
the populism that they bandy around, they have not done anything close
to what PDP has done. So, in that case, they cannot pretend to be better
than PDP. In fact, what they are doing in some of the states, like Ogun
where they held local government election, it was terrible. In Lagos,
the last local government election held about one and half years ago was
a fiasco. It was one of the most scandalous elections that was ever
held in this country. But because they can make a lot of noise from the
Lagos side, the rest of the country kept quiet. So, in that case people
are not fooled. They can continue making alliances and counter alliances
but because they are not united to provide any alternative to this
country, to PDP, they are not likely to make any substantial progress.
But that should not make members of PDP to be complacent or to take
things for granted because one of the greatest mistakes anybody can make
is to overestimate his own ability or underestimate the capability of
his enemy or his opponent. So far we have been having these incremental
damages through these court decisions. For example, Edo has gone, now he
(Governor Oshiomhole) has been dancing around that he won election but
we know what happened in Edo. Now we are moving to Ondo and I am very
happy to note that the people of Ondo have come out very solidly behind
our own friend and brother, former National Legal Adviser of PDP, Chief
Olusola Oke. If the kind of spirit that the people of Ondo State
demonstrated in choosing the candidate is sustained, if they continue
along that line, I cannot see how a third rate political party can come
and overload themselves on PDP in Ondo State. But PDP must put its house
in order. That is the reality. We must unite. In all the states in this
country where there is no unity among PDP members, PDP has lost out.
President Goodluck Jonathan recently had parley with
stakeholders from Plateau over the Jos crisis. What is your take on this
initiative to resolve the Jos crisis?
First and foremost, we are known to be cosmopolitan people. Nigerians
are historically mobile, they move from one place to another to
establish businesses, to establish all kinds of relationships with other
communities. Therefore, it is very difficult to take a knife and cut a
community and say this community is completely distinct from the other
community. In the case of Plateau, it is one of the darlings in northern
Nigeria because by its own climate, by its own historical evolution,
everything about it makes it a cosmopolitan place for everybody to be
there. May be you call it a melting pot just like Kaduna, Lagos, or
Abuja. These are cities with people from all walks of life. The moment
people begin to see themselves or see others or treat others or be
treated as different, then the basis for peace are undermined. We
thought the foundation for these entire problems is this
indigene/settler thing, which is unknown to the Nigerian constitution.
The rest of the country does not know this issue and if this issue can
be detached from the lexicon of the people in Plateau State, I believe
that over 50 per cent of the problem has been sorted out. When I read
some of the stories, some of them are completely out of contest. To talk
about the Jihad that some people are trying to wage in Plateau. I don’t
know where people get some of these ideas. I feel there is need for
co-habitation and collaboration. Everybody need each other. What the
Federal Government has done in recent past is very good, especially the
parley that has been started, inviting stakeholders, talk to them
dispassionately, listen to their views, listen to their opinions,
understand their position, understand their views, understand their
fears and then listen to the other side, understand their problems and
plight and subsequently bring them together as they are trying to do.
Beyond that, those who have been coming and talking to the President and
the government must also be very frank and very honest because it is
one thing to come and tell the President a position and when the
government takes a final decision everything again is jettisoned and we
are again back to square one. So, there must be signs of willingness on
the part of everybody to come together because ultimately it is the
peace that is most important. In the past, Plateau was like a home for
everyone, it was the centre of trade and centre of industries. Today,
Plateau is on its knees and then for how long? I feel that the step that
the government has taken now, bringing people step by step first and
subsequently bringing them together is one of the best things to do. It
has now gone beyond the stage of blame game. Now the question is what
must be done to stop the crisis. So long as we are still at the stage of
blame game it is not going to stop the problem. If you know you are on
wrong side you must be willing to accept, that is the quality of
leadership. If you know you are wrong you must know there is nothing
wrong for you to say yes,’ you have made some errors based on quality of
information available to you at a particular time but with fresh
information you can take new decisions. All the leaders of the groups
must carry everybody along, see everybody as your own and I think that
will make a lot difference.
What is your take on the purported impeachment move against
President Jonathan by members of the House of Representatives over
alleged poor implementation of the budget?
My take on this is that Nigerians always cherish democracy in that
they believe it is the system that gives them opportunity to debate
issues, to argue issues and then to take decisions but sometimes we tend
to be carried away. Democracy also means that we must also go by the
rules, we must also be bound by the constitution and we must also be
bound by issue of law and order. Often, you find that our people have
ambivalent attitude to the National Assembly. When the National Assembly
is working amicably with the Executive, they begin to abuse te National
Assembly as lame duck, rubber stamp and chamber of yes men. On the
other hand, when the National Assembly begins to define issues
concerning the country, some people will say the National Assembly wants
to bring down the roof. So, I think the main thing is that the three
arms of government, Executive, Legislature and Judiciary, historically
have been created to serve purposes that are mutually cooperative,
sometimes competitive but most of the time cooperative. Under a popular
democracy, the Executive executes the laws, the Legislature makes the
laws and of course you know the Judiciary interprets the laws. But in
between, you also have a thin line where there is always cooperation,
especially between the executive and the legislature, because the
legislature will be happy to see that when they make laws they are
implemented. But the executive will also insist that whatever laws they
are going to make, it should be implementable. That is why sometimes in
making legislation, laws can be initiated from the executive or from the
legislature or even from private member outside. Ultimately, I think
the goal is to serve the people of this country. This is part of the
creative tension you find in an evolving democracy and I believe the
National Assembly will act maturely and I believe ultimately they will
work very closely with the President so that our people will have the
benefits of popular democracy. I will not be surprised that there are
people who want to see more problems between the presidency and the
legislature and they will be happy to see that because that will now put
the executive on the spot. But what purpose will it serve? Ultimately
our objective is that an elected government is to serve the people and
since Mr. President has committed himself to transforming this country
in varieties of ways, the cooperation between the executive and the
legislature is the surest way to achieve this objective. So, I do not
see it as beneficial for people to continue to beat drums of war between
the executive and the legislature. They are going to cooperate and I am
sure they are going to find lasting solution to this issue before us.
One good thing also is that we have the party and the party leadership.
We have elders, we have leaders in the party and I am sure that even
where there appears to be some tension between the executive and the
legislature, the party is always there to provide the role of
intermediary and will bring all those issues to quick resolution. So
far, I see the National Assembly, whatever they are doing they have the
interest of the country at heart and also I am sure they (National
Assembly) also know Mr. President has very deep commitment to make a
difference in this country, which will translate towards achieving
reasons they were elected. All put together, I don’t think the issue we
are talking about has reached a point where there will be too much
trouble.