Monday, 17 May 2021

Amaechi Vs Hadiza Bala: Not the first! By Zayyad I. Muhammad

The Rotimi Amaechi and Hadiza Bala Usman fight is a personal one borne of power tussle. In 2016, Hadiza’s appointment as Managing Director (MD) of Nigerian Port Authority generated some grumbles from some quarters- many people suggested that, Hadiza was appointed because of the Minister of Transportation, Rotimi Amaechi and Governor Nasir El-Rufai’s influence; that President Buhari will always give the duo whatever they wanted. Things have changed since; Amaechi now accuses Hadiza of being disloyal. He has been complaining that she is arrogant and so would cut her wings. And he did- by getting her to ‘step aside’ to allow for a probe of the Nigerian Ports Authority (NPA). The probe-panel has already been inaugurated with some wide mandates which include examining and investigating the administrative policies and strategies adopted by NPA’s managing director, Hadiza Usman, and confirm compliance with extant laws and rules from 2016 till date. Many officials of the President Muhammadu Buhari administration and some members of the All Progressive Congress (APC) have also accused Hadiza of being arrogant and often displays an attitude of ‘The Lady of the House’. Notwithstanding this accusations against her, Hadiza has brought some extraordinary development in the NPA and in its activities- she saved the SHIN’s fabrication and integration yard of which $270 million was borrowed for the project, the stoppage of INTELS’ monopoly of oil and gas cargo and the compliance to TSA, the stoppage of the contract scam- SAA fees on the Calabar dredging, She has also sanctioned LADOL for violating the terms of the land lease at Tarkwa Bay, near Light House Beach in Lagos. All these are Hadiza’s notable achievements in four years plus. The fight between Hadiza (a head of an agency) and Amaechi (a minister) is not new in the APC government led by President Muhammad Buhari. There was that of Dr. Baffa Bichi of TETFUND and Mallam Adamu Adamu, Education Minister. Ibrahim Magu of the EFCC and Abubakar Malami SAN, Minister for Justice and Attorney-General. There was also the tiff between Gur Muhammad of Transmission Company of Nigeria (TCN) and Engr. Sale Mamman, Power Minister; Saleh Dunoma of FAAN and Hadi Sirika Aviation Minister); Munir Gwarzo SEC DG and Kemi Adeosun, former finance minister; Prof. Usman Yusuf of NHIS and Isaac Adewole former health minister as well as many other in-house fights that haven’t been in the public. In all of these, none of the heads of the agencies survived their minister’s onslaught. Would Hadiza survive Amaechi’s hammer? On the other hand, heads of agencies should learn the art of balancing loyalty and power-sharing, while ministers should also allow heads of agencies to their jobs. President Buhari is a man that seems not to have an interest to interfere in such ‘fight’ to save the heads of agencies. If Amaechi succeeds in removing Hazida as MD of NPA, we may see similar ‘probes’ by ministers. If Hadiza succeeds in returning, she may be more ‘disloyal’ to Amaechi and not forthcoming to those who have earlier accused her of being arrogant. In the long run, the fight between the duo would definitely translate into bigger political and supremacy battles between many parties both in and outside the APC. There is already, talks of a petition to the EFCC to look into contracts awarded by the Niger Delta Development Commission to Amaechi’s wife. Nigerians should sit akimbo and enjoy some political dramas as events unfold. However, the big picture is- this is a big low for the Buhari government in terms of public image and politics of the APC as the ruling party completing an eight-year mandate with the hope to retain power.

How I was removed for raising observations over financial records, by Ex-NPA board member Senator Binta Masi Garba By Yusuf Alli and Faith Yahaya,.

Former Nigerian Ports Authority (NPA) Board member Senator Binta Masi Garba yesterday recounted how she was removed for raising observations over the agency’s financial records. She alleged that her observations did not go down well with the suspended NPA Managing Director, Ms. Hadiza Bala-Usman. She alleged that Ms. Bala-Usman decided her removal from the board without the knowledge or recommendation of Transportation Minister Rotimi Amaechi. The senator said she met a senior official in the Presidential Villa and advised that the suspended MD be called to order. In a statement she issued in Abuja yesterday, the senator said suspension of the MD has vindicated him. She said: “I was appointed into the board of the NPA sometime in March 2020. In January 2021, Sen. John Akpanudoedehe and I were removed from the board and our removal was clearly orchestrated by the now suspended Managing Director (MD) of NPA, Hadiza Bala Usman. “Before my removal, I was not comfortable with the way the board and authority were run. I consistently expressed my discomfort and displeasure with the way the MD was running the place and this, I have no iota of doubt in my mind made her to orchestrate my removal from the board. “Note, I was removed without the knowledge of the supervising ministry/minister of Transportation, which was very uncommon. “My observations and complaints with the suspended NPA MD were more with the financial statements of NPA and I worried that if she continued so, there would certainly be trouble and her sudden removal (suspension) would be inevitable. ”I noted discrepancies, I raised observations, I asked questions, but I was completely ignored and disregarded. Answers were never provided, until my removal was plotted.” Narrating the genesis of the crisis of confidence between her and the suspended NPA boss, she said: “When the board came in, its first meeting was in June 2020 with the aim of deliberating on the financial report. I made some observations on the report which, obviously, the MD, Hadiza Bala-Usman was not comfortable with. “At the time, the report covered two years but I objected, pointing out that, under normal circumstances, procedurally and international norms, it should cover a minimum of three years. It was after my objection that the MD grudgingly and resentfully provided the third year’s report. I wasn’t really comfortable. “I observed more discrepancies with the financials and asked questions about them. The MD was uncomfortable and even felt slighted by the objective comments and questions. ”Scrutinizing the financial reports of the NPA is a very critical and very important aspect of my role and function as a member of its board, appointed by the President. I was not ready to abdicate that core responsibility. “For me, my board membership of NPA, like every other public office I have held, was a call to serve my country and I was prepared to give it my all. “But the suspended MD felt offended by my observations, questions, spotting obvious inconsistencies and acted like someone with a lot to hide. Answers were not forthcoming and, when they did, were less than satisfactory.” Senator Masi said at a point, she contemplated resigning from the board but she was prevailed upon not to disrespect President Muhammadu Buhari. She said: ”Some members of the board felt I was the only one holding the financial report back. I had to meet with the Minister of Transportation and I told him I wasn’t comfortable with the way and manner the board was being handled and treated by the MD and that I wanted to resign. ”The board chairman, Chief Akin Ricketts (whose removal as board chairman was also orchestrated by the MD) and some other members, prevailed on me not to resign and that, if I did, it would send the wrong signal and would not be good for the President. We settled down to work on it (the financial reports). ”After sometime, my uneasiness did not go away. Again, I met with the Minister of Transportation and told him that I did not want to continue with the board with the way the MD was running the place.” The senator claimed she took her case to the Presidential Villa but Ms. Bala-Usman. She said: “I met someone high up in the Presidential Villa and told him my own story and advised that the MD be called to order. I also met and made similar observations and complaints to the then Director-General of the National Directorate of Employment (NDE), Dr. Nasiru and the then Permanent Secretary of the Ministry of Transportation, Mallam Zakari. “Instead of making amends, the suspended MD’s next move was to go against the NPA Act by designing my removal from the board. “The Act stipulates that it is the minister who should send names of appointees to the board to the President for approval. For someone to unilaterally go against the Act and the minister that brought her on board was rather unfortunate. “I made it very clear to everyone I spoke with about the situation in NPA, stressing that it was not about me but the system, rules and procedures, as well as the survival of our institutions. “I could not keep quiet and watch the suspended MD run the NPA aground. I wished she had listened but she didn’t and opted to plot my removal from the board. Unfortunately, I have been vindicated.”

Matawalle leads operations to hideouts in Gusau, captured notorious bandits - by Iro Danmusa

Zamfara State, Governor Bello Mohammed Matawalle over the weekend led a team of security operatives where they raided the hideouts of notorious and unrepentant bandits terrorising Gusau, the state capital. The governor was at operations theatre while dishing out commands to operatives of the Police Headquarters’ Special Tactical Squad combing the hideouts of notorious bandits in Gusau. The operations that took place between 10 pm to 5 am in the morning led to the successful arrest of several bandits and their accomplices including a Fire Service officer working in the State Fire Service Command. Sources close to Governor Matawalle revealed that the Governor made the decision out of his commitment to free the state from banditry. He collates intelligence and served as the theatre commander to ensure no suspect evade arrest that very night. “For hours, the Governor Coordinated the Operations until all the leaders of bandits terrorising Gusau and their accomplices were captured. According to the source, it was a surprise operation where the governor reserved a command and operations theatre without telling anyone in the Government House from where he collates intelligence, organised and successfully accomplished the mission of arresting the suspects. He insisted that all suspects mentioned must be arrested before dawn and so it happened! After the arrests, Matawalle inspected the suspects and exhibits and handed them over to the Police Commissioner before they were later paraded at the State Command Headquarters of the Nigeria Police. According to Governor Matawalle, it is high time the State put result-oriented machinery to promote peace and maintain a high level of human security in the State.” Meanwhile, information gathered revealed that Governor Matawalle has since his time as Chairman House Committee on Intelligence and National Security advocated for leaders always be at the frontline in countering security challenges. Because he believed compromise by third parties used by leaders as middle persons in addressing issues of security have always made matters worse. The Governor had repeatedly stated that the security of lives and property of citizens are of utmost priority, hence the decision to personally lead the Operations as the Chief Security Officer to rid Zamfara of bandits and other criminal elements. “While some leaders prefer to play blame games on this serious matter, we would continue our carrot and stick approach to face the problem squarely, when things are right, we would then look at who to praise and who to blame.” “We would continue to fight individuals, groups and accomplices of whoever is bent on disturbing the safety and security of our citizens, there will be no exception

I Did Not Breach NPA Rules, Exempt Dangote From Statutory Charges — Bala Usman

Suspended Managing Director of the Nigerian Ports Authority (NPA), Hadiza Bala Usman has dismissed media reports suggesting that the NPA management under her leadershipbreachedNPArulesandexempted the Dangote Group of companies from paying certain statutory charges at the Onne Ports, River State. “I wish to state with all emphasis that these accusations are false and mischievous,” she said in a statement. According to her, “Even the letter dated February 5, 2019(published in the media report), communicating the Authority’s decision on this subject to the management of Intels Nigeria Limited states in the last paragraph: “Hence, theAuthoritytherefore, directs that all cargoes of Messers Dangote Industries Limited and indeed all importers being directed to Onne Ports for customs clearance, specifically for these projects, and are multi-purpose in nature to be treated by applying the same operational rates used by other multi-purpose terminals.” REVEALED! HOW NIGERIAN MEN CAN NATURALLY OVERCOME QUICK RELEASE, AND MAKE IT BIGGER, STRONGER AND LONGER! BE A CHAMPION IN THE OTHER ROOM TOO!!! “This paragraph is explicit about the fact that all multi-purpose cargoes diverted to Onne were expected to benefit from this directive”, she said Giving the background to the directive, Ms Bala Usman said: “Until 2018 when the Authority wrote when the Federal Government approved the de-categorisation of Onne Ports as the solely designated oil and gas terminal in Nigeria, only oil and gas cargoes called at the ports, contrary to global practices in the maritime industry. “For reasons, which included national security, ease of doing business as well as the need for Nigeria to embrace international best practices, this oil and gas monopoly was removed in 2018, with the effect that all categories of cargoes could call at the Onne Ports. “This means that importers could chooseandhavetheircargoesdelivered at any of our port locations regardless of what their consignments were. With that decision, it followed that tariffs must be reviewed to reflect the specific category of cargo being imported as opposed to the rates that existed when the Onne Ports received only oil and gas cargoes. “This reality got more urgent when the congestion at the two ports in Lagos became worsened by uncleared cargoes meant for construction at the Petrochemicals Refining Gas and Fertiliser project of the Dangote Groups at the Lekki Free Trade Zone. “At a point, the company wrote to inform the Authority that it was expecting 60,000 containers and 1,000,000 (One million metric tonnes) Break Bulk cargo. If these were allowed to proceed to Lagos, it would have turned into an emergency. “To avert this situation and give the ports in Lagos some respite, the Authority advised Dangote and other importers to utilise the Onne Ports, which has then been de-categorised from being an exclusive oil and gas facility.

Farooq Kperogi: The intellectual case against Nigeria’s break up (Pt II)

I want to begin this week’s instalment by responding to a challenge thrown at me by a reader. The reader said India’s relative national cohesion is a consequence of its monolingual character. That, of course, implies that Nigeria’s linguistic plurality is the reason for its tendency toward fissiparity. That is completely inaccurate, and this inaccuracy sprouts from the misconception that everybody in India speaks the Hindi language. The truth is that out of India’s over 1.2 billion people, only 258 million people speak Hindi as a native language, according to the country’s 2001 national census. That number represents less than 25 percent of India’s population. Although Hindi is, along with English, India’s national language, it is spoken by less than 50 percent of the country’s population. People in southern India, who speak a multiplicity of mutually unintelligible languages, intensely resent Hindi’s imposition as a national language. So India is a polyglot nation like Nigeria. [In case you missed it]: “Farooq Kperogi: The intellectual case against Nigeria’s break up (Pt I)” I should add that nothing in what I have written so far is intended to make the case that Nigeria does not have profound problems that it must confront truthfully to realise its vast potential. I’m only concerned that efforts at nation building are stuck in prolonged infancy because of inaccurate claims about our differences and the insistence that these so-called differences make the emergence of a virile, united nation impossible. I have been involved in arguments with my Nigerian compatriots in the diaspora about this issue for several years. A persistent example they cite to underscore the “unnaturalness” of the troubled ethnic alchemy that is Nigeria is the United States of America. They claim that America was founded through the consensus of the Founding Fathers and that this somehow illustrates their point that if Nigeria must endure, it must have some kind of a roundtable discussion to “renegotiate” the basis of co-existence. Fair enough. However, a cursory look at the history of the United States will show that claims about the consensual nature of the formation of the country are balanced on a very fragile thread of socio-historical evidence. Although the argument can be made that the consensus of the power structure of the dominant white population built America, the fact also remains that the subaltern populations—African Americans, Native Americans, poor whites, women, etc.—were systematically excluded from this consensus. The African slaves that were brought here were not allowed to become citizens until relatively recently. And in much of Southern United States, they won the right to vote only in the 1960s. Native Americans who had lived in this country for ages before the Anglo-Saxons came from Europe to uproot and exterminate most of them only became full citizens years after the country was formed—and against their wishes. (The first Native American in the U.S. Senate was elected only in 1992!). The state of Louisiana, where I lived for about two years, was BOUGHT from the French without the consent of the people who inhabited it. Alaska was also BOUGHT from Russia without the consent of the people who inhabited it. Hawaii, America’s 50th state, was arbitrarily annexed in spite of resistance from Native Hawaiians. And this is true of most other states in the United States. Again, like Nigeria, the United States fought a long, hard, and bloody Civil War to “FORCE” the Southern states of the country to remain in the Union. The South wasn’t allowed to produce a president almost 100 years after the Civil War. This makes the United States a “forced” nation—if we are persuaded by the logic of Nigerian irredentists who hold on to the idea of a mythical consensus as the foundation for national formation. I agree that Nigeria in its present form was created for the convenience of British colonial conquerors. But so were India, Singapore, Malaysia, and several other modern nations. The fact of their colonial creation is not a reason to expect that they will collapse. In any case, if we insist on consent as a precondition for nationhood, most of our “ethnic nationalities” should not even exist in the first place. For instance, there wouldn’t be an ethnic group called the Yoruba. Obafemi Awolowo, MKO Abiola, Abraham Adesanya, Ernest Shonekan, Gani Fawehinmi, Wole Soyinka, Femi Falana, etc. would not be Yorubas. Why? Because they all come from parts of Western Nigeria that were not “Yoruba” until British colonialists incorporated (read “forced”) them into that identity. The word “Yoruba” is the corruption of “Yariba,” the Hausa word to refer to people in present-day Oyo, Osun, parts of Lagos, and parts of Kwara—itself first used by a Songhai scholar, as I will show next week. It didn’t include much of present-day Ondo, Ogun, and Ekiti—and certainly didn’t include the Okun people of Kogi who are now called “Yorubas in Kogi.” When I attended a wedding at a small town in Ekiti State in the early 2000s, my Yoruba friends from Lagos were shocked to discover that in rural Ekiti State most people neither spoke nor understood Yoruba. We asked a couple of elderly people for directions to the venue of the wedding, and they couldn’t answer us because they didn’t understand Yoruba. They responded in Ekiti language, which is incomprehensible to “mainstream” Yoruba people. In rural Ondo and Ogun, and even parts of rural Lagos, you will find places where Yoruba is incomprehensible to vast swathes of people. Interestingly, the people who were called “Yariba” by the Hausas did not even identify themselves by that name until the twilight of the 19th century. They identified themselves, instead, by such names as “Oyo,” “Ijesa,” “Owo,” “Ibolo,” “Igbomina,” “Ibadan,” etc. This is what historians discovered when they examined the records of the slaves brought from what is now western Nigeria to America in the 16th century. There was not a single slave who self-identified as “Yoruba.” Well, it was our British colonial conquerors who foisted a “Yoruba” identity on all the people who inhabit the western portion of Nigeria—without the “consent” of the people. In other words, people were “forced” into a Yoruba identity, in the same way that the Nigerian identity was “forced” on all of us. That’s why both Awolowo and Adesanya (people who went on to become “leaders of the Yoruba race”) are on record as saying that they were first Ijebus before they were Yoruba, and then Nigerians. I’m not by this ignoring the undeniable linguistic and cultural similarities, however initially distant, between the people that are called Yoruba today, but it took colonialism, and Samuel Ajayi Crowder’s efforts, for this to be discovered and mobilized for political purposes.

The Intellectual Case Against Nigeria’s Break-up (I) By Farooq A. Kperogi, Ph.D.

In light of the strains imposed on our quest for national unity by the renewed agitation for Biafra and its reverberations across the country, some readers of this column requested that I republish a series I wrote in 2008 and 2012. Here is an edited and updated version of the series: Why is our diversity such a lumbering burden on us? Why do most Nigerians have such powerful loyalties to their incidental, primordial identities and a corresponding disdain, even hatred, for other identities? Many Nigerians think our country is unworkable because it was “forced” into being by British colonialists. This view has no basis in the history and sociology of nation-building. There is no nation in history whose formation was the consequence of a democratic consensus. Historically, most nations were formed by conquests, expansionist wars, and forceful cooptation, not by consensus. I don't know what fuels this false, annoyingly ahistorical sentiment among Nigerians. Many Nigerians also cherish the illusion that they inhabit the most diverse country on planet Earth. But India, a post-colonial country like ours, has a lot more diversity than Nigeria has. It has over 800 languages, several mutually irreconcilable religions, a huge landmass that is several times the size of Nigeria, and a human population that is more than that of the entire African continent combined. Yet it's one country, and it was formed in fairly the same way as Nigeria was formed. Most of the groups that make up present-day India were independent ethnic groupings. None of the groups was consulted before they were integrated into the modern Indian nation. But you don't hear Indians interminably whining about the unnaturalness of their nation, or about the need to “renegotiate” the basis of their existence. Nigeria is only about 200 million in population, the 13th largest country in Africa in landmass, with some 500 languages (most of which belong to the same language family), two major religions (which share tremendous doctrinal affinities, unlike, for instance, India that has such mutually exclusive religions as Hinduism, Buddhism, Islam, Christianity, and other Eastern mystical orders). Why is it difficult to conceive that a nation can be formed out of this? In any case, there is no evidence that mono-ethnic nations thrive better than ethnically diverse nations. One supreme illustration that explodes the myth of the "naturalness" and invulnerability of mono-cultural nations is Somalia. There can be no more homogeneous nation on Earth than Somalia. It's a monolingual, mono-religious, and mono-ethnic society. Everybody in Somalia speaks the Somali language. Everybody there is not just a Muslim, but a Sunni Muslim. It is often said that Somalia is not just a nation; it is, in fact, a big family. They all have a common ancestor and preserve their ethnic purity through endogamous marriages. How more homogenous can a nation get? Yet it's an excellent specimen of a failed state. It has been gripped by sanguinary convulsions for years on end. An example nearer home is the former Oyo Empire, which had effectively disintegrated even before the start of colonialism, although it was an ethnically homogenous entity. It was caught in the web of a vicious internal schism that precipitated a debilitating war of attrition, which stopped only with the advent of colonialism. So homogeneity and consensus are no safeguards against implosion. They are not necessary and sufficient conditions to immunize any nation against internal contradictions and disintegration. Only justice, mutual tolerance, good governance can. Having said that, the claim that the formation of the Nigerian nation is “forced” needs some interrogation because the history and sociology of pre-colonial relations in Nigeria don't bear testimony to this claim. A lot of research has been done by historians, notably the late Yusufu Bala Usman and Elizabeth Isichei, which chronicles the robust relational intercourse between the disparate ethnic groups that populate what is today Nigeria. A notable example was the burgeoning social and cultural melting between the Yoruba people and various ethnic groups in North before colonialism. As the travel records of Arab explorers show, the "ambassadors" (or, if you like, interpreters) of the Alaafin of Oyo during the Trans-Saharan trade with Arabs were people from the extreme North. And records show that Hausas had been living in Yoruba land in large numbers before colonialism. The same is true of Yorubas in the North. If you go to Kano, for instance, you will see entire neighborhoods that are peopled by men and women whose ancestral roots are located in Yoruba land. Gwammaja is one such neighborhood. Ayagi is another. This is not to talk of the vibrant pre-colonial inter-ethnic relations between such northern minorities as Igalas, Tivs, Idomas, etc. and Igbos. To this day, Igalas and Idomas have councilors in some Igbo states, and there are "indigenous" Igbos in Benue State. A lot of people are often shocked to find out that Joseph Wayas, Nigeria's Second Republic Senate President from Cross River State, is “Tiv.” He comes from a part of Cross River State called Obanliku (the location of the famous Obudu Cattle Ranch) where people speak Tiv but call it by a different name. And the man was made Senate President on the basis of his being a Southerner. Interestingly, during the still-born Third Republic, Iyiorcha Ayu, another Tiv man, became Senate President because he was supposed to be from the North! Take the case of Edo State, too. The people of southern Edo had shared, and still vastly share, deep cultural and historical ties with the Yoruba people long before colonialism, and those in northern Edo had deep ties with northern Nigeria dating back to hundreds of years. Some people in Akoko Edo, for instance, speak the same language as the Ebira of Kogi State, although they call their language Etuno. Yet Edo is supposed to be in the South and Kogi in the North. Again, the people of Auchi have cultural values that decidedly owe their debts to Nupe and Hausa people. I remember that Auchi people used to be called "Bendel Hausas" when, in fact, their language is almost mutually intelligible with Bini and Ishan in southern Edo State In northern Cross River, the Yala people are linguistically, ethnically, and culturally indistinct from the Idoma and Igede people in Benue State. The Ebu people in Oshimili North LGA of Delta State are actually Igala people. So are the Ilushi people in Edo State. And most so-called Delta Igbos are actually descended from Igala people in what is now Kogi State. The point of these examples is to demonstrate the inadmissibility of the claim that Nigeria is a "forced" nation. We were too culturally and ethnically intertwined even before colonialism for that claim to have any basis in truth. Even without colonialism, it is conceivable that Nigeria in its present form would have emerged. If we related as closely as historical records show we did, the British merely accelerated what was likely to have happened anyway. Of course, the result of these robust pre-colonial relational intercourses could very well have resulted in the formation of a different kind of nation from what Nigeria is today, but there is no reason to suppose that it would be the product of the kind of elaborate, unrealistic consensus that irredentists claim is indispensable to national formation. Postscript: There are actually four main languages in Akoko- Edo, according to a native of the area who responded to my column. He identified them as Uneme, Okpameri, Etuno and Okulusho (which he said is a dialect of Okpameri). The headquarters of Akoko-Edo Local Government is Igarra, and the language spoken there is Etuno, a dialect of Ebira. To be continued

Sunday, 16 May 2021

Governors run Nigeria, President “just one person in Abuja”: Ex-President Jonathan

“So if the governors of the states meet and dialogue, interrogate things that are good for this country, then we will move forward.” Former President Goodluck Jonathan has charged governor’s of the 36 states of the country to engage one another more via dialogue instead of bickering. Mr Jonathan, who addressed journalists in Benin on Sunday, advised Nigeria Governors Forum to deploy its platform to discuss and resolve issues affecting Nigeria. The former president stressed that the coming together of all the governors in a round table to discuss and proffer solutions to issues affecting Nigeria would help the president who is more or less like a sitting duck in Abuja, relying on briefings from across the states. “Governors themselves should continue to meet, I don’t really love a situation where the northern governors will meet then the southern governors will cry foul. “Then the southern governors will meet then the northern governors will cry foul, that will not help our country. “The governors through the governors forum should meet, they are the people who run this country, the president is just one person in Abuja. “The states, especially in a country where the local governments are very weak, it’s the states that people fall back to. “So if the governors of the states meet and dialogue, interrogate things that are good for this country, then we will move forward. “I don’t really enjoy the antagonism between governors, they should come together and discuss. “If there are issues that are affecting one or two states, I think the governors should see how they can collectively come with a way to address those issues,” he added. (NAN)